For comparison, a 3" 12 gauge will produce more than fifty lbs. Battle of the Black Bear Cartridges: .308 Win. Mag.". We do not take preorders or back-order items. This cartridge can produce both excellent and rather abysmal results depending upon how it … Mag. “The .338 Federal is particularly well suited to hunters looking for a cartridge specifically for use on large game where low recoil or an extremely lightweight portable rifle is a priority. The .338 Federal does not. This case has the considerable advantage of having been designed to work in short action rifles. There are a variety of good .338 bullets available, and I am sure that soon reloading data will be available from all of the usual sources. (Initially, Sako is providing the rifles.) I bought a Ruger Hawkeye about two years ago in 338 Federal. Mag. At the muzzle, a 210 in the .338 Federal clocks the same as a 250-grain bullet from the Magnum and strikes within a vertical inch of it at 300 yards. 2. Fusion Rifle 338 Federal Important Safety Information WARNING: Discharging firearms in poorly ventilated areas, cleaning firearms, or handling ammunition may result in exposure to lead and other substances known to the State of California to cause birth … This one’s my hands-down favorite of all the .338 rounds. Decrease the bullet weight/velocity. 12 gauge shooting 1 oz. It does enough to have the same effect at closer ranges without the recoil of the longer-range magnum. rifle. In the real world, firearms chambered for less powerful cartridges are typically built lighter than firearms chambered for more powerful cartridges. Federal’s 200-grain Fusion loading is an excellent all-purpose load. The .338 Federal is the .308 Winchester case necked up to .338. On the flip side, the .338 Federal produces just 23.9 foot-pounds of recoil, compared to a shoulder-smashing 36.1 for the Win. But you should have. This one’s my hands-down favorite of all the .338 rounds. [8], http://www.nosler.com/nosler-load-data/338-federal/, "Take Aim at Rifle Reloading Data | Hodgdon Reloading", ".338 Federal: Federal's first proprietary cartridge makes real short-action sense", "First Look: The .338 Federal Rifle Cartridge", "The New .338 Federal Is Big News for Big Game", "Ruger M77 Frontier Rifle In .338 Federal Test Report", "ArmaLite AR-10(T) Match Grade .338 Federal Semi-Auto Rifle", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.338_Federal&oldid=971257872, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. load will recoil with about 30.2 foot-pounds of free recoil energy at a velocity of 14.7 fps. The .338 Federal cartridge consists of a .308 Win. In this caliber and weight the AccuBond is primarily intended for CXP2 game. But with the advent of 338 fed those same bullets are now being launched 400fps -/+ slower. About the same as a 30-06. ST, 900 Ehlen Dr., Anoka, MN 55303; 800-322-2342; www.federalcartridge.com) points out that the new .338 Federal cartridge has increased velocity over the .308 cartridge and heavier bullet weights.In addition, it produces muzzle energy that is greater than a .30-06 and is right up there in competition with the 7mm Magnum. and recoil velocity (in fps) figures from the HuntAmerica.com recoil calculator for those loads when fired in an 8 pound rifle: It has been estimated in various places that about 20 ft. lbs. While the .338 Winchester Magnum is the most popular .33 caliber big game rifle in these parts by far, the .338 Federal uses the same bullets, just at a slightly lower velocity. That is also essential for the long term success of the cartridge. Both your .308 & .338 Federal will produce more perceived recoil due to being shot from a 5 lb. Mag. The .338 Federal is a powerful cartridge, but it is overshadowed by the short-action magnums, and has yet to prove it is here to stay. case necked up to accept .338-cal. Mag. At the range, and I noticed that the recoil of the .338 Federal had more of the large caliber "push" than the magnum "slap," and the pliable Savage recoil pad dampened much of that. The .338 Federal—like most of our great short-action standards—is based on the .308 Winchester case. Copyright 2005, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. On the flip side, the .338 Federal produces just 23.9 foot-pounds of recoil, compared to 36.1 for the Win. Federal’s 200-grain Fusion loading is an excellent all-purpose load. It was created by Federal Cartridge and Sako in 2006 and intended as a big game cartridge with reasonable recoil for lightweight rifles. .338 Federal The .338 Federal combines sensible, low recoil with plenty of reach. its not for long range shoots. The only ones I can find are in .338 Federal. will kick up 36.1 foot pounds of shoulder smacking recoil. The RCM's ballistics are impressive, but they come at a price. I am convinced that heavy recoil, more than any other factor, is what has limited the popularity of all the previous standard medium bore cartridges, including the .33 Winchester, .348 Winchester, .35 Winchester, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, and .35 Whelen. We have asked for such a cartridge for many years, and now Federal has provided it. Despite all of the discussion about long range shooting and long range rifles, the reality is that most deer are killed at less than 100 yards in North America. In rifles weighing 9-pounds, the 225-grain 338 Win. The .338/210 Partition is entirely adequate for both CXP2 and CXP3 game. A lifetime of Federal Seasons demands the right gear. Mag. I have a Longshot Rifles custom 7mmWSM I shoot F-Class with but it is too heavy to hunt with. In its product information sheet, Federal Cartridge Co. (Dept. It describes killing power in terms of range and live animal weight. The .338 Federal cartridge consists of a .308 Win. As you can see, the .308 Winchester has the least recoil out of the bunch, with recoil progressively increasing with the .338 Federal, and .358 Winchester. I hope to be using this rifles for hunting purposes in North America assuming times permits. lbs.) case necked up to accept .338-cal. But expansion positively stops at the internal jacket partition, which retains the rear core for deep penetration. This is one of the best known and most successful premium hunting bullets of all time. This concept appealed mightily to me, and I have done what I can to promote it. My brother Eric shooting a deer one handed recording at the same time. But not everyone wants or needs magnum performance. It opens reliably against light resistance, creating a wide wound channel. Without a muzzle brake, its recoil is what the .338 Winchester generates with a brake. That I know of, Montana Rifle is the only company turning them out, and perhaps Nosler. rifles are typically about a pound heavier than .338 Federal rifles, and recoil from the magnum is, on average, 50 percent greater. The 338 Federal is close, but just does not handle bullets heavy enough to go after something that could bite back. It was created by Federal Cartridge and Sako in 2006 and intended as a big game cartridge with reasonable recoil for lightweight rifles.[3]. Powering Your Pursuit. There are 3 basic ways to reduce recoil; 1. “The .338 Federal is particularly well suited to hunters looking for a cartridge specifically for use on large game where low recoil or an extremely lightweight portable rifle is a priority. I fleshed-out Mr. O'Connor's proposal in my first article on the subject, "New Woods Cartridge: The .338x57 O'Connor." The RCM's ballistics are impressive, but they come at a price. The .338 Federal should be particularly attractive to reloaders, who can tailor loads to their specific needs. It is my hope that the new .338 Federal can escape the same fate. I feel that those who do will be pleased with the new caliber. The .338 Federal has the same powder capacity and a heavier bullet. 338 Federal RIFLE AMMO 338 Federal RIFLE Ammunition for Sale. Increase gun weight (lead sleds are good on the bench but kind of heavy to carry through the woods). 338 recoil We have three 338 WM's and they are not bad to shoot. There's something about 338 federal that bugs me. I want to get a new Semi-Auto Rifle in the AR-10 platform. The .338 Federal is a rifle cartridge based on the .308 Winchester case necked up to .33 caliber.It was created by Federal Cartridge and Sako in 2006 and intended as a big game cartridge with reasonable recoil for lightweight rifles. A factory loaded cartridge is always more desirable than a wildcat. Advertising hype aside, the .338 Federal is potentially a well-balanced and effective hunting cartridge. Released in 2006 as a joint venture between Federal and Sako, the .338 Federal may be one of the wisest choices that the big-game hunter who likes a lightweight, sweet-shooting short-action rifle could make. Just buy a 338 federal or 30-06. The little Federal achieves this with considerably less powder, too, and that means less recoil. While the .338 Federal generates recoil levels in the 20 to 25 ft.-lbs. 338 Federal Load Data; 338-06 A-Square Load Data; 338 Winchester Magnum Load Data; 330 Dakota Load Data; 340 Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 338 Remington Ultra Magnum Load Data; 338 Lapua Magnum Load Data; 338-378 Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 358 Winchester Load Data; 350 Remington Magnum Load Data; 35 Whelen Load Data; 358 Norma Magnum Load Data Roses are red, my locktite is blue, without any ammo, what am I to do? Source(s): Cartridges of the World 1 The .338 Federal is a rifle cartridge based on the .308 Winchester case necked up to .33 caliber. I estimate that fifteen foot pounds of free recoil energy and 10 fps of recoil velocity represent the approximate upper limit of the comfort level. Please compare the recoil to other calibers. That much power ought to satisfy any rational hunter. It is not uncommon to shot 15-20 rounds from a bench at a time. LMT,[5] DPMS Panther Arms,[6] and Wilson Combat,[7] offered semi-automatic rifles in .338 Federal as of May 2019. Its bonded core eliminates core/jacket separation, thus retaining more weight for deeper penetration than a similar Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet. For this purpose I'd want a 200 grain bullet at a MV of approximately 2425 fps (+/- 25 fps). Recoil is similar to 30-06 with much more knock down power. The 338 Federal hiccups just 24.2 foot pounds. Federal's offering is based on a .308 Winchester case necked-up to accept standard .338" diameter bullets. rifles are typically about a pound heavier than .338 Federal rifles, and recoil from the magnum is, on average, 50 percent greater. Even my guide, Ben ‘Brother' Lawrence, was intrigued; he had never shot a … Features & Benefits: Short-action 338 Federal chambering; Higher muzzle velocity than the 308 Win. One could always go to one of the more powerful factory loads when a flatter trajectory or more power were needed, and that shouldn't be very often. Two of the three are Model 70's, one has a 20" barrel and the other has a 24" barrel and they both have Bell and Carlson stocks. I hope to be using this rifles for hunting purposes in North America assuming times permits. Source(s): Cartridges of the World 1 The .338 Federal is a rifle cartridge based on the .308 Winchester case necked up to .33 caliber. At the range, and I noticed that the recoil of the .338 Federal had more of the large caliber "push" than the magnum "slap," and the pliable Savage recoil pad dampened much of that. vs. .338 Federal vs. .45-70 Govt. (It should be remembered that O'Connor proposed his .338 well before the invention of the .308 cartridge.) This cartridge can produce both excellent and rather abysmal results depending upon how it … . In the table below is a comparison between the .338 Federal and the older .358 Winchester, another cartridge based on the .308 Winchester. It does enough to have the same effect at closer ranges without the recoil of the longer-range magnum. Its disadvantage is that the .308 case has a shorter neck than the 7x57 and to function in short action rifles the relatively long .338 bullets must be seated pretty deep in the case. From the outside it looks much like a typical jacketed soft point bullet. The .338 Federal does not. The .338 Federal—like most of our great short-action standards—is based on the .308 Winchester case. Mag. My wifes 338 … This efficient short-action cartridge flattens game like the hammer of Thor without kicking you in the shoulder like a stubborn mule. The .338 Federal cartridge doesn’t offer .338 Lapua Magnum power and that’s the point of it. I believe that such a factory load could be one of the keys to the long term success of the .338 Federal Cartridge. In same-weight rifles of about 7 pounds, a 338 Win. ): Here are the trajectory figures for that load: What we have is a 200 yard elk cartridge and a 300 yard caribou cartridge in terms of optimum game weight killing power. I always thought 338 Federal was a good cartridge in that tween area, a … 338 federal won't get you to 700 yards with a 16" barrel, bullet will be going too slow to expand , for reference my 16" 308 only gets me to 400 yards before my speeds are slow enough to be "iffy" on expansion-- a 20" 300wsm will get to 700, but I doubt a 16" will as you'll loose another 25-35 fps per inch from the 20" speeds. It is now up to us hunters to show our appreciation by purchasing .338 Federal rifles and ammunition. The 338 Federal hiccups just 24.2 foot pounds. The Federal case has a water capacity of 44.5 grains of water. H While the .338 Federal generates recoil levels in the 20 to 25 ft.-lbs. Even my guide, Ben ‘Brother' Lawrence, was intrigued; he had never shot a … In my book either the 338/06 or 35 Whelen are a much better choice than 45-70. lbs.) Mag. It's really hard to judge the muzzle blast from a shooter's perspective unless you're shooting at night. in a rifle of similar weight. Here are the downrange velocity/energy figures for such a load using the 200 grain Speer Hot-Cor spitzer bullet (BC .448, SD .254) at a MV of 2425 fps (ME 2611 ft. Ammunition is loaded by Federal, but not found everywhere. As regular readers of Guns and Shooting Online know, for some time now I have been promoting a .338 wildcat cartridge based on the 7x57 Mauser case first proposed by Jack O'Connor. The .338 Federal was designed by Federal Ammunition and it is a SAAMI standardized cartridge that was released in 2006. And a brush bucking .338 cartridge is superior for woods and brush country deer hunting to a high velocity small bore. Opening day Michigan deer season, Ellsworth. The .338 Federal is the first rifle cartridge to bear the Federal name on its headstamp, so it is an important step for the Company. Shooting 200 grain fusions hunting in central Pa for deer and black bear. range, recoil figures for the .338 RCM are north of 30 ft.-lbs. range, recoil figures for the .338 RCM are north of 30 ft.-lbs. That’s why we’re giving away more than $15,000 in prizes from great brands like Springfield, Benelli, Bushnell, Primos, Camp Chef, USCCA and more. But there is potential danger in that course. OUT OF STOCK (0) Federal Premium 338 RUM 210 GR Nosler Partition 20/bx. This is supposed to drive a 200 grain bullet at a MV of 2725 fps. vs. .338 Federal vs. .45-70 Govt. The .338 Federal has the same powder capacity and a heavier bullet. The .338 Federal was created by the engineering and ballistics staff at Federal in collaboration with Sako rifles. If I were reloading the .338 Federal, probably the first thing I would do is to develop a reduced power handload that duplicates the ballistics suggested by Jack O'Connor many years ago. Taking it to Colorado on Elk in … Plus, the .338 Federal zips along at 2,064 feet per second at 300 yards, virtually tailgating the magnum cartridge, which clocks a cruising speed of 2,180. in a rifle of similar weight. And this is the reduced recoil .338 Federal woods load! 's impressive ballistics come at a price. In its product information sheet, Federal Cartridge Co. (Dept. I always thought 338 Federal was a good cartridge in that tween area, a … The 338 Federal is the best deer and elk cartridge you’ve probably never fired or maybe never heard of. Recoil is the problem that has plagued medium bore rifles since the invention of smokeless powder. I'm in the market for a Sako 85 Hunter with great wood. Federal stated that this was a non-magnum cartridge boasting magnum energy, a big game caliber offering tolerable recoil in lightweight rifles. In same-weight rifles of about 7 pounds, a 338 Win. T/C, Kimber, Ruger, and Steyr/Manlicher have already said that they will offer rifles in .338 Federal. The real forte of the .338 Federal is its ability to shoot 210-grain slugs at a respectable velocity without anywhere near the recoil of bigger .33 cartridges. lbs. Felt recoil will vary from shooter to shooter and rifle to rifle, but free recoil energy is still a useful way to compare cartridges. . The fundamental specifications and dimensions of the .308 case remain the same, meaning the .338 Federal brass can easily be formed from .308 Winchester brass. This means that 338 caliber bullets are designed with magnum speeds in mind. Mag. Gripe on 338 Federal - it never achieved much of a following, so the pickings are kind of slim; but no worse than 35W. ST, 900 Ehlen Dr., Anoka, MN 55303; 800-322-2342; www.federalcartridge.com ) points out that the new .338 Federal cartridge has increased velocity over the .308 cartridge and heavier bullet weights. VA Silent Arsenal 2,578 views. 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